tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post4052081386942098384..comments2023-10-11T05:00:16.601-04:00Comments on Tales from a summer camp...: My final letter to the Ichud: 101 Questions on the AsifaDovidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11833754733241213439noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-74166583096475199232012-05-31T14:39:40.625-04:002012-05-31T14:39:40.625-04:00There was a time when we had manhigim, those are p...There was a time when we had manhigim, those are people who don't judge yidden by aveiros, but go out and help them financialy & emotionaly.Reb Aaron Kotler took care of many yesomim in Kletk already, he took people in his yeshiva, because they had no home, and believed they belonged in Yeshiva, even if they didn't learn.I acn't list all, some were massive talmidei chachomim too.Satmarer Rov helped the war orphans etc. Moshe rabeinu helped his brothers, that makes a manhig.<br />We also had choshuve Roshei Yeshiva who may not have been big manhigim, but were way above their talmidim in all aspects of spirituality & Torah, they had never waisted a minute in their lives, and lived modestly.<br />The we had Rebbes who were Kuloi Kodesh, and above their chasidim, one or two per generation were all of the above. We still have a few of those today, Boruch Hashem.<br />However today most of the chareidim sat years in Yeshiva, and are talmidei chachomim in their own rights, this narrows the gap leaving many Rabbonim, and Roshei Yeshive less choshuv, and less talmidei Chachomim than their talmidim, or mispallelim. Yet they wear than matel of leadership, and are first to slice the cake, be it government programs, or donations. The commener feels cheated, and that starts the divide.<br />They had to go in cohorts with their mafia, to arrange an Asifa & order everyone to attend, to see if they still had power, eventhough they [chas veshalom not all of them] they may have little or nothing to offer.<br />Therefore the asifa, had no goal, just to see who would come& if we are still in the driving seat. In that way they feel they suceeded, but I hope it isn't the last peak B4 the major fall.<br />See Kli Yokor at the end of parshas Shemos , about the power of defense.<br />It is time taht those who are real talmidei chachomim, and arenot recognized, or margained are gven the mantel to lead. It shouldn't be all family & connected, & so called gevirim, no matter how they inherited or made their fotune.<br />I guess we need Moshiach.Loshon Horanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-15363919021027529892012-05-31T14:26:47.649-04:002012-05-31T14:26:47.649-04:00I have a question why did the main speaker [almos...I have a question why did the main speaker [almost only speakerwho spoke 3 times, if you calculate the time it took to get there & back against active hours of a life time he spoke fot 2 life times] find it important to address people of different attire, & those who go with down hats black Jackets & white shirts "& EVEN THOSE WHO GO WITH BLUE SHIRTS & SHVE THEIR BEARDS."<br />Are we not all one Klall Yisroel?<br />Was there more than 100 people in the room who could claim that they themselves, or a parent ,or grandparent, or great grandparent didn't go dressed that way or as he would call worse?<br />Gimmee a break that hat to be heard by 60K plus hoookups R"L.<br />Many answer it was a mistake, I am sorry to say there is no room for mistakes when you use 2 productive life times you prepare & recant enough to get it perfect.<br />How come it wasn't even one of your 101 questions?<br />Since the asifa I personaly had a yeridah, I went not to be poiresh min hatzibur.<br />Next post i will explain the problem we have.Loshon Horanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-7649384219062857522012-05-31T00:16:33.188-04:002012-05-31T00:16:33.188-04:00Great questions our society is going through sifti...Great questions our society is going through sifting process and only the strongest will survive and the rest will perish like in Korahs times.Motai78noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-1097594035538199182012-05-30T11:47:04.049-04:002012-05-30T11:47:04.049-04:00 Shulchan Aruch 529:1, Hilchos Yom Tov (rough tran... Shulchan Aruch 529:1, Hilchos Yom Tov (rough translation) - "One is required to start the meal with two loaves of bread, and to have a set meal, with wine..."<br /><br />Mishne Brurah 529:11 - "...also there is a mitzvah to eat meat, if one can do so (im yado maseges)..."<br /><br />From the fact that the neither the Shulchan Aruch nor the Rema mention eating meat, and that the Mishne Brurah mentions it off-the-cuff, with a caveat, it's pretty obvious that we're talking about a mitzvah kiyumis, not a mitzvah chiyuvis. So Jewish cheesecake lovers, rejoice!<br /><br />Oh, and for the record, we did have a fleishige lunch on Monday, which we were planning to do anyway. (My wife's pot roast rocks, my friend.) It was the concept, and the attitude, which bothered me.open the gatesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-63749059459519745482012-05-30T07:15:12.418-04:002012-05-30T07:15:12.418-04:00I can answer question 101. R' Wosner's psa...I can answer question 101. R' Wosner's psak has already been revised and toned down. Therefore the papers didn't want to print it and have a contradiction with this http://bit.ly/Lec5saMarty Blukenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-22843500962492898732012-05-30T01:42:08.086-04:002012-05-30T01:42:08.086-04:00Exactly, kids are super sensitive to inconsistenci...Exactly, kids are super sensitive to inconsistencies. There is a lot to say on that topic.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-73340470989642565302012-05-30T01:38:28.363-04:002012-05-30T01:38:28.363-04:00Thanks. some good guys are working on a proper for...Thanks. some good guys are working on a proper forum to teach about the internet. Stay tuned.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-7363619726549025162012-05-30T01:04:31.397-04:002012-05-30T01:04:31.397-04:00Isn't there a Halacha that you have to eat mea...Isn't there a Halacha that you have to eat meat and drink wine on yom Tov ?Cedarharbornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-38287822043361884432012-05-29T15:25:05.763-04:002012-05-29T15:25:05.763-04:00i was fourtnate to have your father obm as my rebb...i was fourtnate to have your father obm as my rebbi for many years, the factory that produced giants like him is sadly closed forever.<br />he was at the forefront of technology and using it for torah<br />he was not scared to say what he felt was the truth even when he knew he was going against the tide<br />the naysayers on this or any blog must understand that as frum adults when we question something it does not mean that we disrespect or demean the person. you bring up many good points that most of us are thinking but are scared to say lest we be labled apikoirus nazi or anti semite! or worse tzioni!<br /><br />most of all your father had a way of teaching that wasnt all memorization<br /> you knew your stuff and it came along with hashkafa and a feeling that made you proud to be a jew.<br /><br />this asifa would have been a huge scucess had they put up someone besides <br /><br />rabbi wachsman who actually knows waht a computer and internet is <br /><br /> <br /> yossienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-53742208465002456592012-05-29T11:50:37.546-04:002012-05-29T11:50:37.546-04:00So I'll tell you a story...
For Shavuos, we h...So I'll tell you a story...<br /><br />For Shavuos, we had my extended family by us. (Raucous but fun.) And Sunday night, at our third milchige meal of the chag, my 8-year-old nephew announced that HIS rebbi said that it is ABSOLUTELY ASSUR to go through a whole Yom Tov without a fleishige meal. (He attends a Yeshiva in Brooklyn - not sure which.) <br /><br />I assured him that, while that may be his rebbi's minhag, it is absolutely permitted to have a meatless Shavuos. Assuming said rebbi is a member of the same religion as us.<br /><br />I told my bro-in-law that I hope he has the "sometimes-take-what-Rebbi-says-with-a-grain-of-salt" speech with his son pretty soon. To which he agreed enthusiastically.<br /><br />We've all been there. Some rebbi with a little too much gaava and too little sechel makes some preposterous pronouncement, and us parents who live in the real world need to do damage control without totally eroding the child's respect for his rebbi. I had it as a kid when my 5th-grade rebbi launched into a diatribe against R' Meir Kahane HY"D. My father, a card-carrying JDL member, gave me that speech then. I've given it to my kids a few times since.<br /><br />Why mention it here? Because, on reflection, that's what I think the Assifa was all about. A few Rabbonim and Askonim (NOT "all the gedolim", as advertised) decided that they're everyone's rebbi, and the hamon am are nothing but children. And therefore everything has to be overstated, and forbidden, and CAPITALIZED, so that the "children" will take everything with a grain of salt and possibly put filters on their home computers. (Of course, filters sold only from the approved vendors, who stand to make lots of $$$$ on this. But I digress.)<br /><br />I believe that the Gedolim who didn't attend are the ones who realize that members of Klal Yisroel over a certain age are actually grownups, and should be treated as such.<br /><br />End of story.open the gatesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-20605973371605665062012-05-29T01:00:02.032-04:002012-05-29T01:00:02.032-04:00I wish I had a answer for you, but I dont. I did t...I wish I had a answer for you, but I dont. I did try to bring it up in an earlier post. <br />My final plea to the organizers of the Asifa at Citi Field: BRING BACK LIPA!<br />Read more: http://dteitelbaum.blogspot.com/2012/05/my-final-plea-to-organizers-of-asifa-at.html#ixzz1wEQmUM6oDovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-60975140789325359042012-05-29T00:58:40.247-04:002012-05-29T00:58:40.247-04:00Dear Dovid,Hope that you are well and enjoying you...Dear Dovid,Hope that you are well and enjoying your Shavuot( yom tov sheni). It was a wonderful Shavuot in Eretz Yisroel BH. I want to bring up a topic that one might think has nothing to do with the "Asifa" but hear me out anyways please.One cannot take lightly the gathering of some 60,000 Jewish people with the gedolim that they came to listen to. I have a question which is bothering me. The date was kaf- chet Iyyar. That is the date of Yom Yerushalayim. This year on Sunday kaf chet Iyyar we, by the grace of HaShem celebrated 45 years of a unified Jerusalem. Jerusalem as the Torah center of the world. The Kotel where the shechina rests and where I am quiet certain many of those at the "asifa"daven and beseech HKBH for all kinds of things. I am sure many of those at the Asifa have children living and learning in Israel. Many living ih Yerushalayim I'll bet. So , do you not find it odd that on such an occasion of so many Jews together that there was not even a mention of the word Yom Yerushalayim ??! I am not expecting anyone to say Hallel ( although I certainly do say it). but some mention of the day, a sign of "hakarat hatov"- something??I have many opinions about the Asifa which I will keep to myself. But this one, Dovid, I cannot keep quiet. l'maan Yerushalayim al tishkot" For the sake of Jerusalem I will not be quiet.OK I said my piece and you can delete it or think about it and pose the question if you should wish to.I will maintain that we have lost the big picture.So many other issues ( the protests that were held outside of the Asifa etc... problems with Eretz Yisroel and the world... I am sure you are aware of many things that the Jewsih people need to daven for and think about and take care of.In my humble opinion ( shared by many by the way) this was a very big mistake and very absent at a place where there could have been an opportunity for a large kiddush HaShem and a showing of Hakarat Hatov. How sad. <br />Thanks for "listening". Yehudit Spero ( someone who is interested in your blog)Yehudit Speronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-23160129084228544562012-05-29T00:32:21.606-04:002012-05-29T00:32:21.606-04:00It is sad. I mentioned it in a previous post.
My f...It is sad. I mentioned it in a previous post.<br />My final plea to the organizers of the Asifa at Citi Field: BRING BACK LIPA!Read more: http://dteitelbaum.blogspot.com/2012/05/my-final-plea-to-organizers-of-asifa-at.html#ixzz1wEJYFqCDDovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-22472952078305053562012-05-28T15:48:23.463-04:002012-05-28T15:48:23.463-04:00Please tell me how 60,000 Jews had a get together ...Please tell me how 60,000 Jews had a get together with gedolim and the fact that it was the 45th anniversary of unification of Jerusalem was not mentioned?<br />Yes it was kaf chet Iyyar and not mentioned. I did not ask anyone to say Hallel,( although I certainly do) most people there have had the zechus ( or would appreciate the zechus) of davening at the Kotel ,yet no mention of this fact. What happened to hakarat hatov and kol Yisroel areveim zeh l'zeh??<br />I find this unbelievably sad and I am not alone in this. How does such a thing occur?Trinasperonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-43855753522466168862012-05-25T18:33:04.211-04:002012-05-25T18:33:04.211-04:00melameds name is eli yoel webber belz and bais duv...melameds name is eli yoel webber belz and bais duvidZfortgangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-74823714290894497642012-05-25T18:32:51.185-04:002012-05-25T18:32:51.185-04:00why did the monsey rahbunim push me away and cover...why did the monsey rahbunim push me away and cover up the fact that i came to them with victims (1 of them as recent 2010)tzali fortgangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-59611050509439497002012-05-25T16:57:42.670-04:002012-05-25T16:57:42.670-04:00Question: Why, everytime there's a tragedy ( a...Question: Why, everytime there's a tragedy ( a family of eight dying in car crash in E"Y)) it's always blamed on the "pet project" of the week? Two Weeks ago it was lack of tsnius of the women. Now it's the internet's fault.<br />Maybe Hashem has His own reasons?!?joyfulJewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-3873317485614442122012-05-25T15:06:47.727-04:002012-05-25T15:06:47.727-04:00http://somehowfrum.blogspot.com/2012/05/asifa-at-a...http://somehowfrum.blogspot.com/2012/05/asifa-at-agudah-announced.html<br /><br />the aguda will be holding its own asifa....for both men and women...in english...lets see what comes out of thisgeoff klnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-79023617249808340792012-05-25T12:04:31.124-04:002012-05-25T12:04:31.124-04:00And, not to wander to far afield, small inconsiste...And, not to wander to far afield, small inconsistencies like this, use of hyperbole to smother a complicated issue with a single blanket, kids pick up on these things. I think Dovid, who works so well and closely with kids, can attest to this. Kids ain't stupid; they're actually quite sensitive to even the smallest inconsistencies. They don't handle cognitive dissonance as well as a more mature, adult mind may be able to.<br />If you were really worried about kids, by God you'd put KIDS on the damn dais and LISTEN to what THEY have to say. Don't children themselves have something valuable to add to what SHOULD be a discussion (as opposed to diktat)?AY Lawrencehttp://www.facebook.com/people/AY-Lawrence/773504198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-46644323888286859322012-05-25T11:58:39.970-04:002012-05-25T11:58:39.970-04:00Last paragraph - good question. Their response wou...Last paragraph - good question. Their response would be that it was all rhetorical device to make a point.<br />And this is where, like I've said many times, use of excessive hyperbole comes back to bite you in the rear. The whole event, hell, all of the prior Ichud thinking on the internet up till now, has been framed in hyperbole ("internet is BANNED", "internet is SOTON", "internet is the worst, biggest invention/nisayon EVER") and in terms of "trust our gedolim" or "our gedolim are the arbiter of what is right" or "our gedolim require ALL to attend" and on and on. You can't say all that, then turn around after a gadol at the asifa, which you billed as "at the request of the gedolim!!!!", "paskens"and then engage in damage control and say, "nah, this was all to drive home a point, nothing more!"It also helps to gather beforehand with an event billed with so much hoopla as "achdus" and work to at least agree to deliver a tightly coherent message and for all speakers to stay "on point". That was NOT the case here. Reminds me of that wacky moment at the Aguda Convention where you had R' Schorr one day thundering savagely about Blackberries "destroying the kedusha of klal yisrael" (he backtracked a little bit later by saying "what excuse does a non-businessman have walking around with an iPhone") and the next day R' Zweibel sheepishly... using his Blackberry in helping to make a point in his speech.AY Lawrencehttp://www.facebook.com/people/AY-Lawrence/773504198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-57225509546714081492012-05-25T11:57:03.156-04:002012-05-25T11:57:03.156-04:00I will then be forced to give them myself "T...I will then be forced to give them myself "The Asiva Scam" <br />How 60,000 ultra-orthodox Jews were coned by just a few manipulative Askanim" This incredible story will take you from day one, the initial planning until the final day where the scam was finally exposed!DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-72299746381375993192012-05-25T11:54:35.326-04:002012-05-25T11:54:35.326-04:00thanks again.thanks again.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-53478852833563856902012-05-25T11:40:09.346-04:002012-05-25T11:40:09.346-04:00some typos there: You wrote: Why did they say at t...some typos there: You wrote: Why did they say at the Asifa that those who don't follow the edicts <br />that learders of such a large gatherings make, will them lose their Olam<br /> Haba?Why did they say at the Asifa that those who don't follow the edicts <br />that leaders of such a large gatherings make, will lose their Olam<br /> Haba?curious georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-87346597589104024372012-05-25T11:36:42.861-04:002012-05-25T11:36:42.861-04:00 yes I'm very curious yes I'm very curiouscurious georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-44080939455969020142012-05-25T11:35:56.750-04:002012-05-25T11:35:56.750-04:00Why were the speeches mostly
in Yiddish when user...Why were the speeches mostly<br /> in Yiddish when users of the internet speak mostly in English, the Bans<br /> were announced in YIDDISH, the lone english Speaker allowed filters.guessnoreply@blogger.com