tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post3739074162230764453..comments2023-10-11T05:00:16.601-04:00Comments on Tales from a summer camp...: InternetInJewishHome.com: How to Navigate the Internet as an Orthodox JewDovidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11833754733241213439noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-394563682707080902012-07-03T23:50:15.226-04:002012-07-03T23:50:15.226-04:00As I am quiet new in Jewish, looking around for so...As I am quiet new in Jewish, looking around for some Jewish information> Got something important here. Nice to get it. <br /><br />Have you seen this video goo.gl/Fvyjz ? It helped me get over my internal anger.Shafiqur Rahman Nahidhttp://www.facebook.com/nahidworld2011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-41877717441674930572012-06-24T19:18:53.634-04:002012-06-24T19:18:53.634-04:00Exactly. All my family that had internet with chil...Exactly. All my family that had internet with children had k9 filters installed already before the asifa. Maybe there were some that didnt but they sure didnt need an asifa to make an awareness for filters. A couple of nice articles in the yated would do the job.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-35652414171058527722012-06-24T14:14:24.728-04:002012-06-24T14:14:24.728-04:00What do you mean by saying no one was discussing i...What do you mean by saying no one was discussing it? There have been filters for many years. I had one with a Christian company 10 years ago. It's been discussed to death. They've been threatening to throw kids out of school here in Lakewood for almost a decade, the idea that Rabbi Wosner has now revived for us. (Thanks, Rabbi Wosner!) The reason they made a big stink and an asifah now is that the battle is being lost. People are using the internet regularly, and pretty much safely, notwithstanding the scary stories, most of which I don't believe. The real danger they see from the internet, in my view, is that it gives people access to information, which is sometimes detrimentat to the powers that be. This is their last chance to nip it in the bud. I hope they are unsuccessful.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-79898124023446016732012-06-21T20:50:35.390-04:002012-06-21T20:50:35.390-04:00More people have and will continue to leave as lon...More people have and will continue to leave as long as they see the community's so called leadership choose to hold a grip on their power and privilege at the expense of at times the lives our children. Without the courage of true leaders like yourself, Rabbi Horowitz,etc. to blog and shine a light on these problems (and without access to said writings via the internet), nothing will change. Denial is a lousy strategy for preserving the beauty of yiddishkeit.RBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-54949353507981125502012-06-21T19:57:27.856-04:002012-06-21T19:57:27.856-04:00I also would like to point out that Tnach and chaz...I also would like to point out that Tnach and chazal often point out the flaws in great men even though according to you that would be a chilul hashem. Your logic does hold up.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-175957945766644872012-06-21T19:55:23.921-04:002012-06-21T19:55:23.921-04:00I dont remember ever saying chareidim are evil. I ...I dont remember ever saying chareidim are evil. I never said that and I dont believe it. BTW there was a blog thats entire purpose was to trash MO but he evidently went bye-bye. http://harediandproud.wordpress.com/DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-86863049320283084752012-06-21T19:51:30.659-04:002012-06-21T19:51:30.659-04:00I'm sorry I didn't realize you were doing ...I'm sorry I didn't realize you were doing this for the press. Thank you sir. Unfortunately, you appear to be under the (common) misconception that should there be a crime here, you are justified in "exposing" it. Is that how Torah Judaism works? Are we allowed to say what we please, or are you going to guise this as l'to'eles? <br />http://youngerlight.blogspot.com/2012/02/freedom-of-speech.html <br /><br />As if telling many anti-Charedi people that Charedim are evil is very beneficial toward furthering k'vod Shamayim in the world. You may notice that there are no blogs pointing out the fallacies and inconsistencies of the Modern Orthodox world. This can be a result of a) the lack of flaws in Modern Orthodoxy or b) the fact that most intelligent Charedi people seek to further k'vod Shamayim, not point out how other people are not.Younger Lightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-22279408807902753942012-06-21T19:10:41.659-04:002012-06-21T19:10:41.659-04:00So when you finally concede that the Ichud is a fr...So when you finally concede that the Ichud is a fraud, your answer is I shouldnt let the public know because it criticizes the chareidi world. Please blame the ones that commit the crime not the ones that exposes them.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-35666670787922451482012-06-21T19:04:55.233-04:002012-06-21T19:04:55.233-04:00Thank you for again explaining why you spread nega...Thank you for again explaining why you spread negativity and criticism on a blog that claims to do the opposite.<br />Your honesty is understood and appreciated. I assume many people will return to or strengthen themselves in Torah Judaism as a result of your overwhelmingly harsh critiques of the Charedi world and its view on the Internet.<br />Tizkeh l'mitzvos!Younger Lightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-43422632565866365762012-06-21T17:51:59.924-04:002012-06-21T17:51:59.924-04:00Please dont lie on my blog. The booklet they put o...Please dont lie on my blog. The booklet they put out list kosher internet providers first and as the better option. The con they mention about K9 is that you have your own password. They failed to mention something Rabbi Reisman did at the flatbush Asifa that you can make a joint password for you and your wife, so that wont be a problem. Once that is no longer a problem, asking people to pay for providers is NOT ok. Your first post seems to say you dont mind if some people happen to make a buck. I do, when its not publicly known. The Ichud and TAG is a crooked organization. They have thier own agenda and not klal yisroal. Period.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-22204934990504419012012-06-21T17:32:14.328-04:002012-06-21T17:32:14.328-04:00Again with the tea calling the kettle names. I ign...Again with the tea calling the kettle names. I ignored you yet you addressed all of my concerns point by point.<br />Anyway, the booklet they put out recommends K9 at the front of their list, and goes through every filter and provider with pros and cons. None are given more weight to the reader who does not have an agenda. The "pressure from without" you speak of sounds like speculation, unless your anonymous connections at the FBI provided you with that information.<br />Do you have any answers for me?Younger Lightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-40918007881968744192012-06-21T17:10:28.225-04:002012-06-21T17:10:28.225-04:00And you totally ignore what I said. Your rebbi is ...And you totally ignore what I said. Your rebbi is a good man and honest so he recommended k9. The Asifa and TAG still recommend kosher providers or other pay for companies. The only reason they even put in k9 is because of pressure from without. The horror stories they write about are lies. What else do you want to know. They are crooks. Just because honest rabonim were fooled doesnt make it right.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-85560641920831958252012-06-21T17:00:59.241-04:002012-06-21T17:00:59.241-04:00Out of curiosity, did you attend the asifah?
It se...Out of curiosity, did you attend the asifah?<br />It seems many bloggers had cronies feeding them the "sound bytes" while waiting at home with their baseball bats.<br /><br /><br />My Rebbi, and many other Rabbis I know, using the TAG written guidebook, recommended several technologies such as K9 filter. I have heard the most recommendations for K9 filter, including from their own guidebook. Did they forget to take out all the free filters, or to at least not mention that they were free?<br /><br /><br />We look at the world differently, that's why I don't get bothered. You intelligently explain that yapping about the dangers of the Internet is not worthwhile; we should educate about the good uses. But are you not guilty of the same mistake, yapping about negativity, with your blog's approach to the Asifah.<br /><br /><br />I point out this irony and the previous one not so you should change your opinion, but maybe rethink how you (and halevai other bloggers) present it. If your blog wants to operate under the mantra of Rav Kook, that a rasha complains about darkness but a tzaddik adds light, you should at least do so consistently. Complaining about the Chareidim's complaining about the Internet does not come across (to me at least) as spreading that light. Calling well-known talmidei chochamim lunatics on a blog claiming to be lashon hara free does not spread that light.<br /><br /><br />Reb Dovid, your writing implies that you have l'shem shamayim goals. Please don't let the fame and fire of the Internet get in the ways of those goals.Younger Lightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-17599667964230934222012-06-21T16:42:27.345-04:002012-06-21T16:42:27.345-04:00You dont get it. I'm open about my ad for camp...You dont get it. I'm open about my ad for camp. They claim to be an organazation called Ichud and TAG, not a filtering company. But they are a filtering company and therefore its not being honest. Besides the fact that they are trying to get people to pay for a filter that is available for free. Why this doesnt bother you, I cant understand.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-87089695654534963232012-06-21T16:38:53.183-04:002012-06-21T16:38:53.183-04:00Yes. They are the bad ones who also shot JFK and d...Yes. They are the bad ones who also shot JFK and destroyed the planes on 9/11.<br /><br /><br />I'm still not sure how they are different from Artscroll, in that they both have a mission to make a parnassah through a l'shem shamayim way. Artscroll (maybe) wants to help spread Shas, but since they had the idea of translating it, make a dollar off of it. These guys see the dangers of technology, so they want to spread the message, and make a buck serving as the messengers.<br /><br /><br />It's not like they're sitting and writing controversial blog posts, collecting thousands of hits, and then posting a huge ad and link to their private business on the top of their blog page.Younger Lightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-36262408458087221022012-06-21T16:14:16.219-04:002012-06-21T16:14:16.219-04:00You said it very well. I rather deal with people t...You said it very well. I rather deal with people that are honest about who they are and what they stand for, than people that say they are lisheim shamayim but secretly have a personal agenda of making a buck off others.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-88652514383061305432012-06-21T16:01:49.007-04:002012-06-21T16:01:49.007-04:00Got it. So the Zionist state is great because even...Got it. So the Zionist state is great because even if they hate Hashem, His Torah, and His people, it is only in their merit that so many people are living and learning in Israel. But the few guys who inspired 60,000+ innocent people, and have started a crucial discussion among thousands of Jews are bad people because they may have been looking for a buck along the way. Interesting hashkafa.Younger Lightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-91318967880811572502012-06-21T15:29:12.954-04:002012-06-21T15:29:12.954-04:00At the very most, its a mitzvah haba biaveira.At the very most, its a mitzvah haba biaveira.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-37887246643246921042012-06-21T15:24:12.273-04:002012-06-21T15:24:12.273-04:00No, but nobody was discussing an issue you concede...No, but nobody was discussing an issue you concede merits discussion. Granted, you are now having one according to how you see fit, but had it not been for the Asifa, when would these discussions be happening?Youger Lightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-49627357772541685302012-06-21T14:06:33.586-04:002012-06-21T14:06:33.586-04:00Whats the irony. Did I ever say talking about the ...Whats the irony. Did I ever say talking about the dangers of the Internet is something that should not be discussed? I just thought they went about it in a really bad way. And the fact that there was a money agenda behind it makes it immoral in my view.DovidTeitelbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-10687674681555870102012-06-21T13:52:43.883-04:002012-06-21T13:52:43.883-04:00There's something very ironic here. The real p...There's something very ironic here. The real point of the big "Asifah" at Citi Field was to inspire people to talk about the Internet and stop pretending that it's not a challenge to Jews everywhere. Their mission was very much accomplished as communities like Flatbush, Lakewood, and our own shul in KGH had "personalized" asifahs discussing the Internet as it relates to the specific communities. In essence, the asifah has inspired you (and Gil Student) to make your own "asifah," albeit an online educational forum to discuss the Internet from a Modern Orthodox perspective. Check off another victory for the asifah!Younger Lightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339382027592667813.post-80946864235180358482012-06-20T11:25:08.806-04:002012-06-20T11:25:08.806-04:00Wow you surprise us again. This is such an obvious...Wow you surprise us again. This is such an obvious idea and it questions why the ichud didnt choose this route!surprisenoreply@blogger.com